Prince a former C.I.A. The Defense Department didn't go for it. However, in all of the 74 campaign donations hes made since 2002 including a $3,042.86 donation to the Wyoming Republican Party in 2016 Prince has been identified with a Virginia address. And they would find people, and they would go out with them. And Mr. O'Keefe disclosed that Foster Friess had actually given Project Veritas money. And her picture wasn't her name GOLDMAN: It was a fake name, Maria. And that was their logo. We're still trying to fully understand how Project Veritas, which is founded by James O'Keefe, actually came into contact with Erik Prince. This is FRESH AIR. Currently, Prince leads a Hong Kong-based firm providing security, logistics, insurance and infrastructure services in parts of Africa and other high-conflict areas. "Somebody who had his calendar conveyed to me that he goes to Tosca all the time," she said, and she passed the information on to a man she believed to be a Project Veritas operative with a fake name. "He's a very nice man," Prince said of Barrasso in the Breitbart interview. GOLDMAN: What - the training they got was when they worked for an outfit called Project Veritas. Anyone can read what you share. Mr. OKeefe earned about $387,000. Mr. Seddon used other former Project Veritas employees to help with the Wyoming operation, including James Artherton, a British operative code-named kimchi who was involved in a Project Veritas plan targeting an editor for The New York Times in London in 2017. And they targeted a reporter, a Washington - a very good Washington Post reporter named Stephanie McCrummen, who - they picked up on it very, very, very quickly GOLDMAN: And figured out that this woman was not who she said she was. Prince had hired a former MI6 officer to help train the Project Veritas operatives, The Intercept wrote, but it did not identify the officer. document.write ("?zoneid="+zoneId+"&block=1&blockcampaign=1"); And I realized they were giving money to Democrats in Wyoming, Arizona and Colorado. Mr. These were videos of - you know, in one case, Democrats or people working for the government who were - you know, it seemed like they were slow rolling the president's agenda or trying to thwart it or using - they were part of, you know, the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America. What did they show? His attorney did not provide an on-the-record response to questions about his clients voting history while elections officials in Virginia said any requests for voter information must be made in person, at the location where the individual registered. DAVIES: That's the Government Accountability Office. Adam Goldman, welcome back to FRESH AIR. One of the documents indicates that Marti Halverson, a former Wyoming state lawmaker, provided a list of people for the operatives to target. It's not clear, though, if any of that was actually used in a way that thwarted anybody's candidacy or damaged their political reputation. Overall, how do conservatives regard Project Veritas? Is he actually providing those kinds of services? He said that he did not think so. There was a billionaire in - well, a very - I don't know if he was a billionaire. Later that year, Mr. GOLDMAN: It's not clear they're actually being trained in firearms training. What kind of inroads did they make? And I think the end goal was make a video and, if necessary, try to get the White House to fire McMaster. But then January 6 happened, you know, the insurrection. But he was extremely wealthy conservative in Wyoming named Foster Friess, who had actually run for governor in '18. DAVIES: What did you learn about how Beau and Sofia met? But in a pending lawsuit, Prince asserts the April 13 story from The Intercept was false, defamatory and aimed at Wyoming. Because of the article, Prince says his reputation and professional opportunities within Wyoming suffered, along with his business interests and reputation in general. And as we quoted an expert in our story, you know, if there's a sudden pattern of somebody giving money to the Democrats and they had never done that before, you know, that could also raise suspicions. It was Maria (ph). And they were deeply critical of Trump. He owns a home on a lot adjoining his familys Double E Ranch in Wapiti. Erik Prince, the founder of private military company Blackwater, whose sister Betsy DeVos was Trump's education secretary, trained the spies Their job was to find out who was disparaging Trump. And GOLDMAN: Involving Roy Moore - exactly. Prince and Mr. Seddon met in August 2018 with Susan Gore, a Wyoming heiress to the Gore-Tex fortune, Ms. Gore became the projects main benefactor. Regardless, Princes residency is not the real issue in the case. Prince said he should have named a different company Moyock Medical Supplies LLC as an example of an entity he owns thats registered to his address in Wapiti. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. They also did the secret interviews at the airport in Cody in the - at the Prince hangar. What were they trying to get? Richard Seddon, in 2018, I guess, decided to stop working with Project Veritas. DAVIES: Right. Mr. Chamberlain and Mr. Thomas were on the list. In an archived version of her LinkedIn page, Ms. Jorge wrote she had a deep interest in the conservative movement and hoped one day to serve on the Supreme Court after attending law school. We're going to take a break here. Prince appears to have become interested in using former spies to train Project Veritas operatives in espionage tactics sometime during the 2016 presidential campaign. The group has also become intertwined with the political activities of Mr. Trump and his family. And we actually - I, you know, I - Mark and I reached out to our - one of great political reporters, Jonathan Martin, and asked him, you know. DAVIES: Did any of them have opinions about whether these two had done damage? I think it was called "Deep State Exposed" or "Deep State Uncovered." Beyond involving a different pool of jurors and a different judge, Prince may have a better chance of learning the identity of The Intercepts sources if the case stays in Wyoming, where there is no specific shield law protecting the confidentiality of reporters sources. Although he owns a home in Wapiti, Prince is not generally known as a Wyoming businessman. One of the undercover operatives also got a job working for a consortium of wealthy liberal donors the Wyoming Investor Network which had made a strategic decision to support Republican moderate candidates over those more closely aligned with Mr. Trumps agenda, the documents say. You know, Princes are pretty savvy. And this photo of James O'Keefe, who's, you know, the founder of Project Veritas, firing a weapon with a silencer, apparently, at Erik Prince's ranch - were they being trained in firearms there? If you are a current print subscriber, you can set up a free web account by clicking here. But then they got reversed stung by the Post, which was quite a moment. Months later, in June 2019, a report said we are expecting a big haul, including new lines of intelligence on the Republican side of the house.. Good stuff, Mr. Seddon wrote back. And Las Vegas was the - you could almost say it was the pinnacle, the apex of their operation. Even if it is true that Prince now genuinely considers himself a Wyoming resident, it cannot be said that [The Intercept] could fairly anticipate being [hauled] into court in Wyoming, the attorneys wrote in a September filing. GOLDMAN: Well, that's a great question and one we struggle with at the Times in trying to put this in context. Was he primarily the guy who got this thing moving? DAVIES: You know, the other thing that I wanted to just clarify to the extent I can is how much of a driving force Erik Prince was in this. 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Previously, he covered national security for The Washington Post and worked on the investigative team at the Associated Press, where he and his colleagues revealed the New York Police Department's Muslim spying programs. GOLDMAN: Project Veritas is founded by James O'Keefe. GOLDMAN: In some instances, they were on, you know, these social - these dating apps, right? DAVIES: Right. He added, With Trump getting 70 percent of the vote, it shows how the Democrats have been able to control our elections with putting on a Republican coat., Mr. Gordon took office in January 2019. And by the way, as we began reporting this, we started learning more about Beau's connection to people. Mr. Seddon regularly updated Mr. OKeefe about the operation against the Michigan teachers union, according to internal Project Veritas emails, where the language of the groups leaders is marbled with spy jargon. Erik Prince, founder of private security contractor Blackwater and brother of former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, recruited a former British spy in 2016 to professionalize the undercover operatives at Project Veritas, the conservative sting video shop run by James O'Keefe, The New York Times reports, citing documents and people involved in the subsequent operations to discredit perceived "deep state" enemies of former President Donald Trump inside the U.S. government. Anyone can read what you share. That was the idea. James OKeefe, the head of Project Veritas, declined to answer detailed questions about Mr. The scope of that investigation is unclear. Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater, a private security contractor firm used extensively by the administration of George W Bush, is said to be "seriously considering" challenging Wyoming. Those contentions have become a key point of early proceedings in the case. And another individual named Barbara Ledeen, who worked for a prominent senator, his committee - Chuck Grassley - she admitted her involvement, and she had actually said she had met with a Project Veritas operative. Ms. Gore ended up rejecting the proposal because it was too expensive people with knowledge of the plan said it would start in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. And they thought McMaster had fired, you know, several people who the president had brought on and - or Mike Flynn, his former - his first national security adviser had brought on. His uncle is the conservative commentator Glenn Beck. There is little publicly available information about the company, but multiple Prince ventures, including Blackwater, have been based out of Moyock, North Carolina. Meanwhile, Prince is once again registered as a Park County voter. DAVIES: Right. At the time, Prince was exploring the possibility of mounting a Republican primary challenge to incumbent U.S. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo. DAVIES: Let me reintroduce you again. But, yeah, this kind of actual infiltration and spying, I don't think I've run across that. And then they married last week. Prince said he thought hed registered to vote when hed obtained a Wyoming drivers license in October 2017. She actually got a contract fundraising gig with the Democrats, right? DAVIES: Right. I mean, people did shoot guns. You know, this is something we haven't seen, right? But, you know, his sister is Betsy DeVos, and she was Secretary of Education during the Trump administration. document.write ("'><\/scr"+"ipt>"); And they admitted doing, you know - engaging in political activity while working for these government institutions, which Project Veritas asserted was, you know, wrong or even, you know - I can't remember if they said it was illegal or not. Oct. 21, 2020. McMaster? And we've written about that. Erik Prince, founder of private security contractor Blackwater and brother of former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, recruited a former British spy in 2016 to professionalize the undercover. DAVIES: Right - Erik Prince, the security contractor who we'll talk more about. And as part of this effort, Richard Seddon was brought on to handle training and really professionalize Project Veritas' undercover operations. They received training for covert operations at a ranch near Cody owned by Blackwater founder Erik Prince, where Maier's mother works as a cook. This includes participating in marches or rallies in support of a movement or giving money to, or raising money for, any political candidate or election cause. Mr. Seddon was a longtime British intelligence officer who served around the world, including in Washington in the years after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. And they targeted - Project Veritas had a whole series. Neither party wants to be infiltrated like this. His willingness to support Mr. Seddons operation is fresh evidence of his engagement in political espionage projects at home during a period when he was an informal adviser to Trump administration officials. Despite making multiple comments about Princes ties to Virginia, The Intercepts legal team said its immaterial to their jurisdictional arguments, which center on the publications own lack of ties to Wyoming. DAVIES: And when we say they targeted these public officials or FBI agents, what would they do? contractor who is best known as the founder of the private military firm Blackwater and whose sister, Betsy DeVos, was Mr. Trump's education secretary has drawn. In 2016, Republican operatives believed they had obtained deleted Hillary Clinton emails from the dark web, and sought Mr. Princes assistance to authenticate them, an episode investigated by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel in the Trump-era Russia inquiry. Prince noted he owned a home in Wyoming and had been connected to the state since 1992. document.write (document.charset ? zoneId = '3'; Several of them confirmed their donations. Copyright 2021 NPR. But we were unaware of that. They targeted The Washington Post. So they were looking to mine that, to exploit that territory. She went to meetings. He's a former British intelligence officer who served in Washington, D.C., and in Pakistan and eventually leaves the British Secret Intelligence Service and develops some relationship with Erik Prince, a security contractor, and ends up being director of field operations at the conservative group known as Project Veritas. DAVIES: That's a really fascinating example of the power of, you know, database reporting now because you knew they were doing the thing in Georgetown, but their campaign contributions in Wyoming have to be publicly reported. DAVIES: What was on those videos? GOLDMAN: Yes. I'm Dave Davies, in for Terry Gross, who's off this week. I knew something was off immediately. I mean, we know that Erik Prince was trying to sell a plan to the Trump administration to put these - for him, in fact, to put a private, you know, army of a bunch of mercenaries in Afghanistan and sort of take over those responsibilities from the government, sort of, in some ways, replace the U.S. forces on the ground there. And they said, well, you know, she worked for Project Veritas. If you already have a web account, but need to reset it, you can do so by clicking here. //]]>-->. I have always understood him to be a resident of Northern Virginia, the lead writer of The Intercepts April story, Matthew Cole, wrote in a declaration. He gave the examples of Jones Creek and CMNS Systems. However, neither of those entities appear to be registered to do business in Wyoming; the only reference the Tribune could find to a company named CMNS Systems was an LLC formed in Delaware in August months after Prince filed his suit. Over two years, Mr. Seddons undercover operatives also developed networks in Colorado and Arizona, and made thousands of dollars in campaign donations posing as Democrats, both to the Democratic National Committee and individual campaigns. - and, you know, that probably in terms of, you know, Iran - not pulling out of the agreement with Iran, the JCPOA, and, you know, McMaster, you know, wanting to keep, I guess, troops in Afghanistan. The ex-undercover British spy, Richard Seddon, trained conservative operatives first at the Prince family ranch in Wyoming, then at a large, $10,000-a-month house near Georgetown University. I believe he was involved in an effort to battle pirates in Somalia. The Powell Tribune was unable to learn Prince's voter history from 2002 and 2017. You mentioned that he was recruited by Erik Prince. Accuracy and availability may vary. GOLDMAN: Well, some people have speculated this was some sort of back channel to Russia because there was a - I believe there was a Russian investment manager there who has ties to Vladimir Putin, the president of Russia. A document that month said that Mr. Seddons operatives had identified three potential sources in the new governors administration and have begun accelerated cultivations with a view to early recruitment., Later in January, the operatives wrote that they had successfully recruited another source with a role in the new governors administration, adding that the source has agreed to provide insights, help expose corruption and assist with eventual placement of undercovers.. He was asked whether he had provided any of the groups secret recordings of Democracy Partners to the Republican National Committee or any member of the Trump family. The Trump Foundation gave $20,000 to Project Veritas in 2015, the year that Mr. Trump began his bid for the presidency. Do we know? The training was done by a guy - a lot of the training was done by a guy named Richard Seddon, S-E-D-D-O-N. Who is he? Erik Prince doesn't live in the state, he's from the same party as the incumbent, Sen. John Barrasso, and he's best known for founding a private security firm, Blackwater, that was kicked out of . GOLDMAN: Well, they - you know, they - Beau is from Cody, Wyo., so he had some Wyoming roots. GOLDMAN: Yeah, I think they nearly tripled the number of people they hired. DAVIES: And then Beau and Sofia married, right? NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. It is unclear how many potential donors Mr. Their attorneys wrote that the story did not focus its efforts on or in Wyoming, nor would it have any reason to do so . To continue reading, you will need to either log in to your subscriber account, or purchase a subscription. - trying to find, you know, damaging information on, you know, on political rivals, you know, using, you know, private investigative firms. Of course, everybody's familiar with Watergate, right? At the center of the scheme was an unusual cast: a former British spy connected to the security contractor Erik Prince, a wealthy heiress to the Gore-Tex fortune and undercover operatives like. GOLDMAN: Well, I don't know if he is primarily the guy. But her picture was on this website. While he has not been actively involved in Wyoming politics specifically, Prince comes from a political family he is the brother of U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos and is an active political donor. And his son - he brought his son, who was a former army officer, on board to help. After Mr. In particular, you know, Sofia targeted a employee with the GAO. Prince, the former head of Blackwater Worldwide and the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has at times served as an informal adviser to Trump administration officials. You know, they targeted the teachers unions. Mr. And so we're all familiar with that, I think, to some extent. You know, I think part of Mr. O'Keefe's motto - I think it's important for him to have regular and consistent content - right? And as the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press summarizes, New York provides absolute protection from forced disclosure of materials received in confidence by a professional journalist, including the identity of a source.. Ms. Jorge was eventually exposed and kicked out of the campaign office. DAVIES: Wow. Over the past year and a half, The New York Times has reported on an effort by conservatives to train operatives in undercover spy techniques to infiltrate progressive groups, political campaigns, unions and the offices of Democratic and moderate Republican elected officials. In a Jan. 15 order, U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson of Cheyenne tossed out Prince's defamation lawsuit against The Intercept. [I] was a Wyoming resident for many years,, That same day Oct. 9, 2017 Prince obtained a Wyomings drivers license, which he touted, In early 2017, Prince reportedly welcomed James OKeefe and others from the conservative group Project Veritas, which describes itself as an army of guerrilla journalists. That February, OKeefe tweeted an image of himself taking aim with a silenced handgun amid snowy mountains, saying the team was undergoing intense training from a classified location as we make Project Veritas the next great intelligence agency. 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